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SUMMARY
This video features a debate between a teenage host, who argues for a round Earth, and two Flat Earthers, Mack and Rabbi. The host introduces the debate, his ally Mike, and the two Flat Earthers. Mack presents common Flat Earth arguments, such as not feeling Earth's movement, not seeing the curve from planes, and claiming cameras can zoom in on ships disappearing over the horizon. Rabbi, the second Flat Earther, is disruptive, smoking and interjecting with off-topic comments about artificial sweeteners and religious justifications for Flat Earth, leading to his repeated removal. The debate covers topics like gravity (which Mack denies, explaining density instead), the moon landing (which Mack believes is fake), the distance to the sun, the existence of satellites, and the authenticity of Earth photos from space. The Teen Host challenges Mack's claims with scientific explanations and historical accounts, often citing specific individuals and expeditions, though some of his own examples are fabricated or exaggerated for comedic effect (e.g., Mongolians reaching the sun, Indian colonies on the moon, dogs on Mars). The discussion devolves into accusations of lying and "gaslighting," with the Teen Host ultimately "winning" the debate by presenting a picture of a dog on Mars.

TRANSCRIPT
[00:00] **Teen Host:** Hello everybody and welcome back to the podcast. We have a bit of a different episode for today. It's going to be a little more debate style: Flat Earth versus not Flat Earth. I'm on the side of not Flat Earth. So we got a special moderator here today just to make sure everything's fair and calculated. Welcome in, VNA. Of course, on my side, as usual, let's get in Mike, as a not Flat Earther. Welcome back, Mike. And then for the first Flat Earther, doing incredible, thank you for joining us. For the first Flat Earther, let's welcome Flat Earther number one. We're going to be calling him Mack. That's his name, by the way. How are you doing today?

[00:45] **Teen Host:** Really quick, before we get this started, just make sure you're talking into the mic and then everything's good. I'm going to move the mic over to Mike. Actually, just lean into it and tell everybody why you believe the Earth is flat. Then I'll go last.

[01:00] **Flat Earther:** Everyone starts out as a round Earth guy, right? You're taught that in school, right? Well, you get out there, you start going on the internet. Back, you know, I was born in '85, so like 38 years old, right? So I remember before and after the internet. Now we got the internet, so you go around, you look at stuff. They tell us that we're going a million miles an hour through space, right? We're orbiting the Earth going so fast. My position is that I don't feel the movement. I look at the horizon and I don't see a curve. I've been in planes, I see no curve.

[02:00] **Teen Host:** Oh, you don't see the curve? Like a boat going on the ocean, you don't see how it curves?

[02:05] **Flat Earther:** We'll get to that. So, like I said, I don't feel the movement and I don't see the curve. That's my basic position. What you said earlier is that the boats are going over the horizon. Well, if you take any kind of basic camera and zoom in, you can bring it back into view, right? We have limited vision. We can't see forever. We're limited. So when that boat goes over the curve, it appears to disappear. But if you take a camera, zoom in, like a Nikon P900, zoom it in, you can bring it back into view when it goes over the horizon again. You zoom in a little more and you can bring it back into view.

[02:55] **Teen Host:** I think for the most part, a lot of people, all of the scientists for the most part, they don't really think that the boat is disappearing. So obviously, if you get a lens that can just be zooming in, of course you're going to be able to see farther than the human eye. The human eye has its own things, but that doesn't mean that there's no curve. You know what I mean?

[03:15] **Flat Earther:** Well, if it keeps going, it should theoretically disappear over the curve, be behind the curve.

[03:20] **Teen Host:** All right, wait, let me introduce him. Is he here? Is he at the door? All right, sorry for the delay. For the second Flat Earther, welcome Mr. Rabbi.

[03:40] **Rabbi:** Oh boy. How you doing, boss?

[03:45] **Teen Host:** Mr. Rabbi, like I was saying, you want to say something to this fella here?

[03:50] **Rabbi:** It might be a good time to ask, why do you believe the Earth is flat?

[03:55] **Rabbi:** Earth is flat because the Torah says so.

[04:00] **Teen Host:** So you believe the Earth is flat mainly for religious reasons, correct? And you think that that would be a logical statement that you would say that all of the scientists are wrong because of some holy book? Which, to be fair, I am Jewish myself, but you think that that's a fair thing to go by, just disregard all of science and history over that? Correct? Okay, well, go on about what you were saying. I think you have a little bit more nuance.

[04:30] **Flat Earther:** So you were saying about the ships going over the horizon. Like I mentioned, you take a camera, you zoom in, you can bring it back into focus. And you then rebutted by saying that that doesn't mean there isn't a curve. Well, if there was a curve and it in fact went over that curve, it would be impossible to bring it back into view because it is literally being obstructed visually. So how did the camera bring it back into focus if there is a big old curve?

[05:00] **Teen Host:** I think one of the things that I was just reading about this recently, because to be honest, I'm not a huge guy on Flat Earth, you know, arguing it. I'm more of just a space guy, just doing different stuff in politics, just understanding a lot of different stuff. So when I was researching that specifically, it was actually a scientist, I forget his name.

[05:25] **Rabbi:** Is that healthy? [visual: Rabbi smoking]

[05:27] **Teen Host:** It is. Okay. What's the Torah say about that?

[05:30] **Rabbi:** Nothing. Okay. Healthy. It's healthy.

[05:35] **Teen Host:** All right, we're back in it. So what's the next question there, Maton? Let's hear it.

[05:40] **Rabbi:** Oh, you don't want to stare? Because I can stare, big guy. Listen, I don't want to make issues, but if you continue to smoke on the table, we're going to have to remove you. Is that against the sponsorship? The Dr. Pepper?

[06:00] **Teen Host:** I don't think we have a sponsorship, but it just, I don't really understand.

[06:05] **Rabbi:** Why does that have aspartame in it? Can I see the ingredients on it? Can I just see the ingredients right quick here? Let me see. It has aspartame. It's very cancerous. You shouldn't drink that.

[06:15] **Teen Host:** Oh, you don't like aspartame?

[06:17] **Rabbi:** I don't like artificial sweeteners. Artificial sweeteners, totally disgusting.

[06:20] **Teen Host:** Tastes good.

[06:22] **Rabbi:** It tastes good, but it's bad for you. You should try Mexican Coke because cane sugar, man, and it is natural. Zero calories, but they get you with the artificial sweetener and that will kill you. So just be careful with that.

[06:35] **Teen Host:** You think the artificial sweetener is killing people?

[06:37] **Rabbi:** Absolutely, absolutely. Read about, what is it, the Powerade one? There's another one. It's got, it's called sucralose. That one's really bad for you. It splits your DNA. All artificial sweeteners are bad for you. Just Google it. That's not a Flat Earth thing, but that's just really...

[06:55] **Teen Host:** Let's get on to the Flat Earth. All right, all right, to the real...

[07:00] **Rabbi:** The real Flat Earth, right?

[07:05] **Teen Host:** I think this is a good one to start off with, but do you believe in gravity? A lot of Flat Earthers don't. I was watching some Flat Earthers debate with people and, from what I understood, they don't really believe in gravity.

[07:20] **Rabbi:** You have to take that off of the table. One more, one more hit. All right, he's good. All right, my teammate here, I love this guy.

[07:30] **Flat Earther:** So about gravity, most Flat Earthers don't believe in gravity. They don't believe it. They don't believe in the spinning crap, whatever, right? Do you believe in it? No, I don't. Not, I don't. I don't think gravity is anything. I think it's kind of an unfalsifiable thing.

[07:45] **Teen Host:** So about gravity, as my teammate over here is really cheering me on, I love this guy. What's your name again? Rabbi Monkey?

[07:50] **Flat Earther:** Rabbi Monkey.

[07:55] **Teen Host:** Rabbi Monkey, this guy, you're like 30 minutes late and you're smoking, and I'm really feeling your support here. But just cheer me on, brother. All right, as I was saying, gravity, you want to hear about gravity? It's just like such an odd situation. I know you think I probably planted him here, but I honestly, I've met this guy before. He doesn't...

[08:10] **Flat Earther:** You met him on the street, you paid him $20?

[08:12] **Teen Host:** No, no, because I'm Jewish, so I go to synagogue. All right, all right. Are you also Jewish? You look a bit Jewish.

[08:20] **Flat Earther:** I'm not Jewish. Really? No, sir. Are you Canadian?

[08:25] **Teen Host:** No, not even. So where are you from?

[08:27] **Flat Earther:** I'm from Louisiana. I'm saying, like, your heritage, just like...

[08:30] **Teen Host:** So heritage would be half Filipino, half European, like Northern European, just like a...

[08:35] **Flat Earther:** Like the UK, English, Scottish, Irish, Welsh.

[08:40] **Teen Host:** You need to leave. I can't no more. Let's get him out.

[08:45] **Flat Earther:** That's my teammate, though. But this is ridiculous. I saw you going for the vape again. You need to stop with that, Rabbi Monkey.

[08:50] **Teen Host:** It was, it was nice knowing you, bud. It's all right, you can leave, brother. I got it. I'll take it. I'll give you, I'll give you one more opportunity. Just don't vape, and because I don't want to set up the fire alarm or anything. Thank you. Thank you for... got to treat him right. All right, thank you. Just take it easy. You got to control the impulses. All right, it's going to be all right. We'll get through this.

[09:15] **Flat Earther:** Gravity itself, like, you don't know what it is. Even Neil deGrasse Tyson says we don't know.

[09:20] **Teen Host:** I was going to say, I actually have that written down here, the Neil deGrasse Tyson. No, no, yeah, I had something written about Neil deGrasse Tyson, yeah, specifically. So he says that we can measure it, but we don't know what it is. So if he doesn't know what it is, how can we be so sure that it is what they say? This is what I was going to say, I don't have it in the notes, but...

[09:45] **Flat Earther:** But wait, wait, wait, let me just say what I believe gravity, what I believe is causing things to...

[09:50] **Teen Host:** Neil deGrasse Tyson, you like him? Number one. Hey, you should be on my side, bro. Come on. That doesn't make sense. You're supposed to hate that guy. Not, not gravity. Nothing. All right.

[10:00] **Teen Host:** Well, what I was going to say is just from my understanding, I personally don't like Neil deGrasse Tyson. I think he has fidus, which is just some sort of like understanding, like learning disorder, like inflammation in the brain. So I'm not a really big fan of Neil deGrasse Tyson. I think a lot of people kind of go to him because he's just like a very easy guy to pick on. He's a little bit of a stupid guy. He's not really, he's not really a good speaker for most people. You know, I'd say even like the Rabbi would probably be more intelligent than Neil deGrasse.

[10:30] **Flat Earther:** Well, that's fair. Says Flat Earth.

[10:32] **Teen Host:** No, it does not.

[10:35] **Flat Earther:** Yes.

[10:37] **Teen Host:** You know, I think he probably does say that. I will, I will side with Rabbi Monkey here. Let's go with that. Neil deGrasse Tyson is a Flat Earther confirmed here on the podcast. We have another ally confirmed by Rabbi Monkey. Thank you for that. Appreciate it. All right, so do we want to talk about gravity or what's going on? Oh man. All right, I can't, I can't take this serious. He comes in with a vape and a Dr. Pepper. He's not making any serious arguments. All right, do you mind just removing him from the...?

[11:20] **Teen Host:** Okay, listen, I know now it's a two-on-one, but just to make it fair, it's okay, it's fine, it's fine here. Just to make it fair, neither of these guys are saying anything anyway. So I was going to say, just to make it fair, we'll have Mike, just you can talk, just make it very limited. Just the Rabbi probably talked maybe like two times. You and he said like 30 words, you said 15, so you have like 15 words left and he just got it out. All right, I'm sorry, that was just very distracting. All right, so we still doing gravity or what?

[12:00] **Flat Earther:** Yeah, tell me what you think about the gravity. So people say that gravity is a force and that it brings everything down, but they neglect to mention... Is he coming back or no?

[12:15] **Teen Host:** I don't believe so.

[12:17] **Flat Earther:** All right, so as I was saying, helium, the balloon floats, right? But what about gravity? Well, the balloon is less dense than the medium around it. That's why it floats. Then you have a rock, which is dense, and so it falls to the ground. And if you put it in water, it will then sink, right?

[12:40] **Teen Host:** Right. But then there are bubbles. The bubbles rise to the surface of the water. But what about gravity? I think the main rebuttal to that would be like when I was in the first grade, they told us it's like the solid, the liquid, and the gas, right?

[12:55] **Flat Earther:** Yeah, so like a rock is more of like a solid than like a bubble, right? It's dense, right? It's dense, so it's going to go sinking.

[13:00] **Teen Host:** Yes. But I think the main thing with the gravity is probably just, you know, a lot of what the scientists say is that, you know, when a...

[13:05] **Flat Earther:** That's an appeal to authority, by the way. There's really no appeal to authority.

[13:10] **Teen Host:** I think saying appeal to authority is a bit of like a copout, you know, because it's just taking away all of the education that those guys have. You know what I mean?

[13:15] **Flat Earther:** Yeah, but some education fails. And if we're all indoctrinated and saying the same...

[13:20] **Teen Host:** I think that's a good place, even before we really dive deeper into the flow, because they're trying to teach people that boys can be girls, girls can be boys. We all know that's not true.

[13:30] **Flat Earther:** That's a different thing. I don't, I don't agree with that, but there are experts that believe in it. So should we believe the experts?

[13:35] **Teen Host:** I think, to be honest, obviously not, right? Yeah, but I think they're not really, I think it's kind of taken out of context. I think it'd be a bit hard-pressed to find a scientist saying that somebody can change their sex. The gender thing, you know, you have some like far-left liberals, screw them, in my opinion. But what they're saying is that gender is like a social construct. If you said gravity was a social construct, maybe you have a different scientist coming up with something else. But it would make sense for like an indoctrinated, you know, like scientists who's been raised with very far-left liberal parents to be not so opposed that somebody can change their gender, but not their sex, right? And I think that brings up the gravity thing. I think saying that it's an appeal to authority is not really the best place to start off because...

[14:30] **Flat Earther:** Can we get back, though, here real quick? Can we get back to the actual gravity portion? So we, I brought up the point that many people will follow a lot of the experts and then will say, "Okay, yeah, now we have a million genders." Let's not go off on that. Let's go back to gravity. I agree with that.

[14:45] **Flat Earther:** So gravity, right, is supposedly keeps the entire Earth together as we fly through space a million miles an hour, right? We're spinning all around. You see the graphics, it's like insane the way it looks. I think it looks insane.

[15:00] **Teen Host:** Well, listen, I'm just, I'm just going to read the notes. I have just from what I was... Yeah, go ahead, go for it. But scientist Greg, he said the gravity pulls all the way down, but the sunshine pulls it back up. That's why at night there can be some things floating, but during the daytime, the gravity sets it all back down to Earth and everything will be normal. Scientist Greg says that. I don't, I don't know his last name. I just wrote Greg because I didn't want to take up too much space. It's a bit of a small notepad.

[15:30] **Flat Earther:** Fine. Yeah, yeah, that's cool. I don't know anything about that. I don't want to argue that. You know, if we just discount all the scientists for all... You know, let's not discount all the scientists. Okay, let's not get on that. Let's not get stuck on that point. We're talking about gravity and you bring up that...

[15:45] **Teen Host:** Right, but that the reason I said that it's an appeal to authority is because you're not really making an argument against my case, the case I'm making. I can cite a higher... Listen, neither me or you have had, you know, well, actually, I could be wrong with you, but if you went to college...

[16:00] **Flat Earther:** Yeah, I'm a graduate.

[16:02] **Teen Host:** Oh, okay. College graduate. Yeah, I don't want to talk about where I graduated, nothing like that, but I did. College graduate. Yeah, you're a college graduate. Obviously, I'm not, I'm 16. But I think these people with, you know, not just the education from college, similar to you, but they spent their whole lives... Forget somebody like Neil deGrasse Tyson, he's a bit of a different guy.

[16:25] **Flat Earther:** Yeah, he's a TV scientist. Brain. He's a TV scientist. He's an actor. He's an actor. Hollywood actor. Yeah.

[16:30] **Teen Host:** But, you know, just the average scientist, don't you think it would be a little bit difficult for, you know, all of everybody in NASA, just before we go too deep into the Flat Earth... We have to kind of...

[16:45] **Flat Earther:** So you're going to say that everyone is in on it? You're going to say that everyone's...

[16:50] **Teen Host:** I was going to go a little bit deeper than people would, but, you know, not just everybody in on it, just everybody who's ever been part of, you know, NASA or, you know, the US government. But you'd also...

[17:00] **Flat Earther:** Can I bring up...? Yeah, go ahead, go ahead. Sorry, I'm bringing somebody up after you finish. Sorry.

[17:05] **Teen Host:** Yeah, yeah. You, you also have to go into every civilization, basically, for the, you know, the 21st and late 20th century. You have to say that every one of those guys who have been able to go, you know, basically every first world and a lot of second world civilizations, they're all in on this giant thing. And, you know, what I also have here, if I can just pull it up...

[17:30] **Flat Earther:** Sure. But civilizations prior to the 21st century, there was many civilizations. Them have access...

[17:35] **Teen Host:** I was just going to say, well, you know, that's because the...

[17:37] **Flat Earther:** But they trusted what they saw and they had mathematical calculations.

[17:40] **Teen Host:** The issue that I was going to say, a lot of the, you know, the Flat Earthers, what they're depending on is just disregarding all the scientists. But I think that's kind of not true. I was just not disregarding scientists. What I'm saying, I think a lot of the problems with that is if you look at like NASA, some of the conspiracies is that they're wrongly educated and the main one is that they're Jewish. And, hey, whether I'm not pointing no fingers at no... I was going to say, I don't know whether you believe that, but just to bring that up, if we just look at some of them, you have Adam Abram, you have Daniel Schel, you have Yob Liberman, you have Ethan Bernstein, Ariel Bernstein, Jonathan Katz. These people don't sound Jewish. These aren't Jewish people. So I don't know why they would expect them to be Jewish and then be able to do the whole Jewish conspiracy.

[18:40] **Flat Earther:** I don't know anything about that. I got nothing on that. I'm just here to talk about the physics of it. That's all, the physics. How would you discount, you know...

[18:50] **Teen Host:** Well, I'm not discounting. I'm not discounting the science. Scientist Greg saying that the sunshine is what keeps everything down. The sunshine is what keeps everything down. That's what he says. So what's that? Explain to me what that, what, what does that mean?

[19:05] **Flat Earther:** Yeah, so I can, when I say, when I talk about relative density, right? Density. The rock is dense, so it falls to the ground. The helium is less dense, the balloon is less dense, so it rises. So there's an explanation of the density is the explanation. The sun keeping things down is not an explanation. There's no explanation.

[19:25] **Teen Host:** It is because essentially the way it works is, I guess maybe you disagree with this, but you would agree that the sun is a couple million miles away, or you think it's...

[19:35] **Flat Earther:** No, you can do trigonometry with basic tools and prove that it's like only like a few, like 100, 20 miles away or something like that, right? And then we would all be dead.

[19:45] **Teen Host:** That's if you think the Earth, this sun is some crazy... The thing I don't think it's that. I don't think it's that at all, really. I think the misconception is that most people think, and for some reason, you know, a lot of Flat Earthers, I would imagine yourself, you don't think the moon landing was real, correct? You probably...

[20:00] **Flat Earther:** Okay, so you think it was fake? I got COVID anyways.

[20:05] **Teen Host:** Okay, well, anyways, so you don't believe the moon landing is real. And that's over 98% of other Flat Earthers don't believe it's real. And that's a whole different discussion. We can go into that later.

[20:15] **Flat Earther:** I don't know the technicals on that, so I don't want to talk about it. I can, I can cite a few things, but it, you know, it's...

[20:20] **Teen Host:** You want to talk about it? We can talk about it. Yeah, we can talk about it in a second. But the reason I'm bringing that up is a lot of people get confused with that because the moon is the closest one to us. And then they think we haven't been to Mars or we haven't been to Jupiter. We haven't been close enough to the sun. But that's not true. We have been close enough to the sun to actually see the test. And, you know, back in, you know, the 1980s, we actually had somebody only 100,000 miles away from the sun. Once he got to the 100,000 mile threshold, what happened is all of the camera, all of the equipment, the spaceship, everything, it got burned down. However, you traveled 90 some, 9, was it 90, 900 million miles? How many miles is it? 90 million?

[21:20] **Flat Earther:** Bring the phone for this. It's more of like just... But he went like 90 million miles. How long did it take him to do that? Let's say it was like 90 million. Was he, he wasn't... How fast those aircraft, those spacecraft have to go to go 90 million miles?

[21:35] **Teen Host:** I don't know the exact speed. Think about how it was like a 10-year journey. It was, it was, was it 10 years? Was it? And this guy went all the way to the sun. All right, what is the name of that? I was there. What's the name of that? Come on, don't joke with this guy. He's serious.

[21:50] **Flat Earther:** No, well, I'm trying to be serious. I try to go with the joke here.

[21:55] **Teen Host:** No, I'm not joking. No, that's cool. With Rabbi Monk over here, really... I didn't know he was going to do that. I miss him already. Rabbi Monk. Is it Monkey or is it Monk? I think it was Monk. Monk. Gay. Don't say the G word. Don't say... He might be gay. As I was saying, where were we on the spacecraft going 90 million miles? Actually, what happened, I can, I can pull up the guy's name here, actually, to be specific. But it was actually Ariel Schnitzel. He actually went very, very...

[22:30] **Flat Earther:** Ariel Schnitzel. I have to look that up later. Let's just... I mean, I guess I'll just have to take your word for it. I'll have to take...

[22:35] **Teen Host:** I don't want to... They did get very close and I, I honestly, I lost track a little bit. But yeah, they got very close and it was a 10-year journey. Once they hit the 100,000 mile threshold, everything burned up. But since it was like a live projection, just 10 minutes delay, you know, you know how it's like eight minutes speed of light from the sun, they say. Well, let's just assume that they're not lying about the sun just for one second. Let's just assume it's true. They say eight, eight minutes, I think the light will reach us from the sun, correct?

[23:15] **Flat Earther:** Sure, something like that. Yeah.

[23:17] **Teen Host:** So it was 10 minutes from the other guy because the technology just wasn't good enough because it was the live stream. It wasn't like he was showing us light. The light obviously could get here sooner.

[23:25] **Flat Earther:** Sure, yeah.

[23:27] **Teen Host:** But essentially, the way it works is, yeah, he did get within the 100 mile, 100,000 mile threshold and then everything got burned up. And obviously, you can say that I'm lying or I'm making stuff up.

[23:40] **Flat Earther:** It's... I'll just assume it's true. Yeah, yeah. I'll assume what you say is true for the most part and just take my word.

[23:45] **Teen Host:** Agree. Let's just agree or it's going to just turn into us calling each other liars.

[23:50] **Flat Earther:** Sure, yeah. We don't want to do that. Yeah, because they just not going to be productive.

[23:55] **Teen Host:** No, it's not. But so what, he did get that close and you can claim that that was some sort of NASA lie, but that wasn't even with the Americans. That was, that was with the Mongolians.

[24:05] **Flat Earther:** Mongolians. Okay. I have a hard time believing that the Mongol... Why would the Mongolians lie about that to please NASA? There, there was no NATO. There was no reason for them to even do that in the first place. What year did this happen?

[24:20] **Teen Host:** I believe it was the 1980s. 1986. And it was, um, I guess I shouldn't Google it. That wouldn't be fair.

[24:25] **Flat Earther:** Okay. Um, yeah, that's fine. That's cool. We'll just take it as the truth.

[24:30] **Teen Host:** Well, the reason I brought that up in the first place...

[24:32] **Flat Earther:** Go ahead. Yeah, elaborate.

[24:35] **Teen Host:** The reason I brought that up in the first place is a lot of people, a lot of Flat Earthers don't believe the sun is as far as it is. But, you know, this was a, you know, The Truman Show.

[24:45] **Flat Earther:** Yeah, I know The Truman Show. I know that people think it's a Flat Earth clue or some crap. I don't even know about that.

[24:50] **Teen Host:** Yeah, because it's like a dome and whatever. I actually have no idea. I was just bringing up The Truman Show because that's how Ariel was essentially being broadcasted. It was 24/7, obviously not when he went to the bathroom or anything, but it was 24/7 just so everybody could have a good look. It wasn't a public live stream, but it got released later. Everybody could go find the footage now. But as it was going, it was just for really the biggest technologies. I think it started just with the Mongolians as they started out, but once they started needing more help and more scientists on the case, they got involved with NASA. NASA, I believe, and probably some other organizations. So, yeah, I mean, if we want to talk about, let's go back to the conspiracy about NASA and everything, because, you know, I'm, I'm pretty sure that all the astronauts were Freemasons. So there's that conspiracy.

[26:00] **Flat Earther:** Go to... What do you think is a Freemason? Just go to these guys. They, they have control of things and they have a lot of power.

[26:05] **Teen Host:** But, but that's if you, that's... They are all confirmed to be Freemasons. So...

[26:10] **Flat Earther:** But that's, but that's the extent of what I know about that. Not everybody in NASA's... So as far as like the conspiracy, everybody being in on it, they could be doing things. They, they could be doing things with a computer and not even know what the heck they're doing. Like, they could put it, put in the calculations and think that things are happening, but things could really not be happening.

[26:40] **Teen Host:** So that sounds crazy. There's live footage.

[26:42] **Flat Earther:** Yeah, there's live footage, but the live footage could be fake. It's called their scops. There's like fake...

[26:50] **Teen Host:** You're talking about like space moon landing footage? There are all kinds of crap about the moon landing. That's like, that's like pretty phony. Like the lighting, moon...

[27:00] **Flat Earther:** There's this huge, there's this huge conspiracy that the moon landing was fake. And a lot of the, a lot of the, the explanation, I'm sure you would believe in one of your points. I think you just heard, I heard you outside talking to my producer about it, to be honest, when I had to check something on my phone. You said, "Why haven't we gone back?" Right?

[27:20] **Teen Host:** Yes. Why haven't we gone back? So I think the real and only explanation for that is... Let me turn, I need to make sure this is off. My kid is, uh, got a monitor on. All right, so... She lean back, you're getting in front of the camera. Just... Well, anyways, all good. But I think that that's probably the reason why most people think the moon landing was fake. We have gone back not once, not twice, not a thousand times. Say a few times. You know, we've gone back thousands of times, not just NASA, but it's not like, you know, the Indians, I believe, were there about a year ago.

[28:00] **Flat Earther:** NASA came out recently and that they said that NASA said that they destroyed the technology and we can't get, we cannot go back to the moon. NASA themselves...

[28:10] **Teen Host:** So I have a question for you. Confirmed that they cannot go back to the moon. You believe NASA when it fulfills your point, but when I mention NASA about something else, you're going to tell me NASA is Freemasons. So why does it only work, why does it only work when it's pro on the Flat Earth side? I think it gets a little bit hypocritical, right?

[28:30] **Flat Earther:** Maybe, but the point is, they said it themselves that they can, we cannot go back. They said themselves, "We cannot go back." That's what they said. They said, "We destroyed the technology. We cannot go back. It's a painful process to rebuild this technology." The problem and they back...

[28:45] **Teen Host:** I never claimed NASA went back. I'm claiming that other people have. You know, NASA, it's not even the biggest organization in the United States. I think space... It's the biggest space exploration organization in the world, isn't it?

[29:00] **Flat Earther:** Not anymore, from what I understand.

[29:02] **Teen Host:** Well, either way, I mean, if they can't go back, I mean, I guess like how you said India went, but I mean, yeah, Indians have an entire camp up there. They have like a... There's not people like living there 24/7.

[29:15] **Flat Earther:** You mean like a colony?

[29:17] **Teen Host:** They have a colony.

[29:20] **Flat Earther:** How did they get through the Van Allen radiation belt? What do you mean colony? Well, colony, they, you build a sustainable housing where you can live for long periods of time.

[29:30] **Teen Host:** I love this guy. He's great. Yeah, so they living up there or they not living up there? What's going on? So they're not living up there 24/7 because they haven't got, from what I understand, they haven't got the technology to fully be up there. They have to come back down every once in a while. Just, well, they can bring up the like the air containers and all that and all the space things just up and down. But from what I understand, they can't be up there for more than six months at a time. So they keep going up. It's not like they're, they're having kids up there. Just like probably like 30, 40 year old is living up there, coming back down, going back up. And from the main thing I understand, you know, is these people, they're up there for a long amount of time. NASA doesn't want to go back there because they're on to, you know, bigger and better things. They're right now trying to reach the sun by 2028. And SpaceX reach the sun by 2028. That's the goal.

[30:30] **Flat Earther:** How's that going to work out?

[30:32] **Teen Host:** Well, they already got 100,000 miles within and that was in the 80s and they haven't attempted it since. But they haven't said they destroyed the technology on the sun expedition. So from what they actually said, quote...

[30:45] **Flat Earther:** So what, how are they going to survive on the sun? What's, what kind of technology they going to use to survive what's supposedly an inferno?

[30:55] **Teen Host:** Listen, I'd appreciate, I'd appreciate if you didn't snore as loud. But from what I understand is they haven't came out and said exactly the technology. They probably haven't finished producing it yet. But a couple of guys from NASA who used to work there have come out and said that it's some sort of like a force field for the... Because if you can just have all of that taken, all of the heat, you know, you might be finding... I don't think they're trying to set up a colony there or anything, but they just want to get really close, get some up close pictures.

[31:30] **Flat Earther:** I thought they already had up close pictures of the sun.

[31:32] **Teen Host:** Well, not like, uh, supposedly, well, not like from me right here to right here.

[31:35] **Flat Earther:** Well, of course not, you'd be dead.

[31:37] **Teen Host:** Exactly. I'm saying, so that's why they're trying to...

[31:40] **Flat Earther:** Your force field technology, is that really a thing? I think... What do you think about that, Mike? Tell me about force field technology.

[31:45] **Teen's Ally:** Force field technology, it's real.

[31:47] **Flat Earther:** Is it real? Like Iron Man stuff? I mean, listen, personally...

[31:50] **Teen Host:** Iron... Because that sounds more ridiculous to me than... I guess it's probably like Iron Man. It's, I mean, I don't really watch Marvel movies. Do they have like a force field? I mean, that's what you said. You said they're going to use a force field. I'm saying not real, but does Iron Man have... I think he has some kind of stuff like that. I'm just saying that as just as an example. I understand what you're saying, but the only reason I'm really bringing this up is I think there's some sort of misconception that the technology is outdated. If they wanted to go back to the moon, you know, the lead guy, Mr. Katz, one of the head guys of NASA, personally said, he said they could recreate that technology within a year or two's time. It's one of the easiest things possible. It's just not going to be...

[32:45] **Teen Host:** Rabbi... Well, he left. Rabbi guy sabotaging me and saying... Well, I mean, he's supposed to be my partner and then he wasn't my... I just, I made it so Mike doesn't really talk either.

[32:55] **Flat Earther:** Well, that's fine. It's basically just me and you having... Let's just... Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[33:00] **Teen Host:** Oh, Rabbi Monk, he's back. He's back. My man.

[33:05] **Rabbi:** He's back. Good times.

[33:07] **Teen Host:** Well, you called for him, I suppose. I did. Either way, doesn't really matter. I don't think. All right, so we, we, we established that those things may or probably not true because you could not find the source for me. You could not give me the name for that person. So we're just going to assume those things or you forgot it. But you have notes, like 100 pages.

[33:35] **Flat Earther:** Pages. All I see is 10 pages of notes. Look, I'm going to show me all, all the...

[33:40] **Teen Host:** Well, no, no, of course, all the way in the back. It's not going to be...

[33:42] **Flat Earther:** Sure, read through all of this. It's going to...

[33:45] **Teen Host:** That's okay. Anyway, let's just assume, just for the sake of time, that it's fake, even though it's obviously not. Now, let's move back to the Indian colonies on the moon. Those people aren't there 24...

[34:00] **Flat Earther:** You Googled it. I haven't seen anything about colonies on the moon. They were there for 24 hours a day. It just says it's a moon landing, nothing about colonies. Why, why are you shaking? You don't believe in that either?

[34:10] **Mike:** No.

[34:12] **Rabbi:** Thank you. Thank you. Oh, wow. A cute kitty. Wow.

[34:20] **Teen Host:** So, uh, so yeah, I mean, that's what I believe. I Leviticus. So we can, can bring up this, the scripture if you want. Do you want to the scripture?

[34:30] **Flat Earther:** Please don't let them come back. It's getting ridiculous.

[34:35] **Teen Host:** Oh, Rabbi Monk, man, we'll see you in about 15 minutes. So yeah, um, I don't believe in satellites either. I think they're fake. That's what I was going to ask.

[34:45] **Flat Earther:** Totally fake. You use the satellites. Did you use GPS to get here?

[34:50] **Teen Host:** It's not GPS that you think it is. Well, I'm asking, did you use GPS to get here?

[34:55] **Flat Earther:** It's not global positioning. They, it's all ground-based. So how do you think like location works? Like you getting here? My phone and they use, and they use, they use stratospheric like planes to take pictures of the Earth. Google Earth is not even by satellite. It's by aerial photography. So a guy in the Earth...

[35:20] **Teen Host:** No, it's a guy in a plane taking pictures of the Earth. And that would just there. What's that like? What are you like? I'm saying that you don't even need satellites for most things. Like most of the things that we claim that satellites do...

[35:35] **Flat Earther:** Well, I'm saying that most of the things that satellites do, we can, we have stratospheric aircraft that do those very same things. That doesn't it, though?

[35:40] **Teen Host:** Well, it doesn't. Well, satellites, you Google pictures of satellites from space, it's just CGI. There's no real pictures of satellites from space. So here's the thing, I was going to bring up, this is a bit of a separate topic, but it kind of leans into the same thing. And I, I don't want to stay on the same topic. You see how I keep, let's keep going. I just want to go through a lot of them because I don't want to make this like 10 hours.

[36:10] **Flat Earther:** Sure, yeah, yeah. I would assume I got all night, though, you know.

[36:12] **Teen Host:** No, I have a long time too. Yeah, sure, yeah. I know you don't have all night. Yeah, go ahead. No, no, I can go for hours. Just we're going to down. Go ahead. Yeah, but I would assume that you probably believe this, the photos of the Earth are not real.

[36:25] **Flat Earther:** Well, NASA themselves admit they're not real. Tell, explain, explain this. So the Blue Marble that you all see is not real. I agree. It is a patchwork. It is a composite. It is a, it is a combination of several photos. That's all it is. They combine them together. They Photoshop it. Guy even says it on YouTube. You can Google it. The guy says it looks fake, you know, but that's what makes it so real or some crap. So yeah, it's all a composite. So how, there's no proof that that's, that's, that's not a picture of Earth from space.

[37:10] **Teen Host:** Yeah, so here's the thing. This is what I was going to bring up. So I agree, the Blue Marble photo, the like the most famous one, I think is the one that everybody finds in schools. It's not exactly a fake photo. It's just not like a live photo. It's more of like a, it's like a diagram. It's like a model. So going off of that, there are actually real photos. It's just not that one. But since that one's the most popular one because it's...

[37:40] **Flat Earther:** Why don't they show off the real photos? Because they're not going to be as clear. They're not going to...

[37:45] **Teen Host:** They die. They take the real photos and then they make the Blue Marble. If you go to a photo like that, the Indians can take from their, the colonies, then you'll find real photos. You can look in the, the colonies that were shown to not be there. But anyway, so continue. Sorry. No, but they can bring like devices. They can take a picture. It's not going to come out very good. But there's a reason why a lot of astronauts when they go to space, they have a, I forget what it's called, but it's like a disassociation. They see the whole world. They see the global. They can see like different parts of it. And, you know, they disassociate. They start having problems when they come back. And that was actually proven. Let me go to the guy's name. Daniel Arson. What he said is that when he came down after he had that same disassociation, but after a while, it started to go away.

[38:50] **Flat Earther:** What does the disassociation do again?

[38:52] **Teen Host:** I, I'm sure this is something you would agree on. It's they see the whole world and they start to, they start to misunderstand, not misunderstand, but I'm trying to think of like a way to put it in the word. It's like you look down on where you live, like everything, and it starts to not feel as real. You know what I mean? Not that it's not real, it's just like, it's like Larger than Life.

[39:20] **Flat Earther:** Yeah, Larger than Life. Exactly.

[39:22] **Teen Host:** I was trying to think of something like that. And so after Daniel Larson was done there, he came back down. He had that same problem. And that actually put him into therapy with Joshua Block. After he was done, he became an astronaut again. He went back up there. No problems. And I think the reason he had that is he never, he was American guy. He for NASA. And just for a second, let's not say the whole NASA is fake again. You can, we can go into that. You just continue, continue the story.

[39:55] **Flat Earther:** Yeah, yeah, yeah. So he went back. He never got to the colonies on India. This is like back in the 2000s. So he was just there. And, um, he took photos with it, with a phone because I believe it was one of the early iPhones.

[40:15] **Teen Host:** 2010, you said?

[40:17] **Flat Earther:** No, maybe not a phone. Maybe it was like a camera back in 2010. I mean, it's possible. You think that with all the people going into space, there'll be more pictures of the Earth from space?

[40:30] **Teen Host:** No, Google. No, Google. I think he was looking something up on Google. That's if he's Google. I get to go. I get one Google. If he Google, he got one Google. Okay, it's one to one. It's even. Yeah, you did the one negative and a positive makes zero. All right, we're good. Um, yeah, what are you saying? Um, yeah, I was just saying that after Daniel Larson was done up there and then he got to therapy, he went back. He didn't have the Larger than Life feeling. And he took a photo. I, I take it back. I don't believe it was a phone. I believe it was a camera. And you took a photo and you can find that photo later.

[41:20] **Flat Earther:** Don't you think there would be more photos of the Earth from space? But there are thousands of them. There's thousands of tele, like smartph...

[41:25] **Teen Host:** Are going to look as good as smartphone photos? I mean, if you are, if you have a pretty good view of it, you should be able to take a picture. I mean, smart any technology that's going to go as big as the Earth, right?

[41:35] **Flat Earther:** Yeah, but if you're going far enough away, you could do it. I mean, if you go to the moon, it's not possible. And back, you could do it. Not possible. You believe the moon is fake?

[41:45] **Teen Host:** Do I think it's... Well, if, if we're going by your model and they, they can, if they have the ISS and all this stuff, there's plenty of pictures from the ISS of the Earth, right? That may or may not be real, whatever. But why don't they, why aren't there pictures from the ISS on smartphone? Are we Googling now? What's going on?

[42:10] **Teen Host:** I'm just giving it to the moderator so he... Thank you, moderator. He's really impartial here. Really impartial. Okay, the pocket is fine. Just... All right, Mike, just want to make sure no Google. Everything's fair. Good job, Mike. Stand up for yourself. Um, so we're talking about the, you know, um, it's my word versus yours. Um, I don't think space is real anyway.

[42:40] **Flat Earther:** So you don't think space is real? Yeah, because like I said, satellites are nothing. They're not real. They're not real.

[42:45] **Teen Host:** That, that was going to bring me up to my next question. I was going to say, what, what, what exactly is your explanation of why the sun is round, the moon is round, every other is round?

[43:00] **Flat Earther:** Well, just because that is round, it's circular, doesn't mean we are circular.

[43:05] **Teen Host:** Like, but you believe they are also spherical, though?

[43:07] **Flat Earther:** I don't think it's spherical. I think that they're, it's possible that they're... Well, if you look through a telescope or a high zoom camera, they don't look like anything that what NASA shows. They look like little gnarly, watery, prism-like, whatever. It doesn't look like what they say it looks like. It looks like it's water up there, in fact. So when we look at it, us peons who don't have billions of dollars worth of technology, okay, we can't confirm they're telling the truth. They could Photoshop the pictures. They could Photoshop the pictures.

[44:00] **Teen Host:** What about when you look into the sky? Into the sky at what? At the sun? You see it's a ball.

[44:05] **Flat Earther:** Yeah, but the sun is the same size as the moon in the Flat Earth model.

[44:10] **Teen Host:** Oh, you believe the sun is the same size as the moon and it's only a few hundred, 25 miles up or something like that?

[44:15] **Flat Earther:** 30. Yeah, it's not very far away and it's not killing us.

[44:20] **Teen Host:** No. How's it not killing us?

[44:22] **Flat Earther:** Because it's not what they say it is.

[44:25] **Teen Host:** So like hypothetically, according to you, you could just go to the sun right now?

[44:30] **Flat Earther:** Probably. I can't go to the sun. I don't have billion dollars technology.

[44:32] **Teen Host:** Let's say you did.

[44:35] **Flat Earther:** If I did, maybe I could. And it wouldn't kill you. I don't know. I don't know because I don't claim to know everything. But you can use basic trigonometry to calculate the distance from the Earth to the sun in the Flat Earth model and it's not a million, 90 million miles away.

[44:55] **Teen Host:** Well, this is what I was going to bring up. You say like us peons, we don't have the billions of dollars. We don't have a billion. I don't know if you know one of the biggest, uh, uh, Flat Earthers, not, no, no, no longer with us, you know, Felix Kjellberg.

[45:20] **Flat Earther:** No, Felix Kjellberg is a Red Bull guy and he is not a Flat Earther. No, wait, you talk about Felix Kjellberg? Are you talking about PewDiePie? Felix Kjellberg is PewDiePie. He's not a Flat Earther. You just said Felix Kjellberg.

[45:35] **Teen Host:** Yeah, Felix Kjellberg. He is that's PewDiePie. Who's that? Is a YouTuber. He's a whatever. Okay, so what are you going to say? PewDiePie, the Flat Earther? What are you going to say? What's the story? I mean, I that is Felix Kjellberg. So you're just making up words.

[45:55] **Flat Earther:** No, I can't, I can't take you seriously. So it's true. That's, that's, you know, that's, uh, it's called circular logic. Just because my book says it's true, it's no, no, I'm just saying you said I'm just making stuff up. I'm just, yeah, you make it up and you write it on the paper.

[46:15] **Teen Host:** Okay, so you're assuming, so you're saying Felix Kjellberg is a Flat Earther? Maybe we're talking about a different guy. Are we talking about a different guy? Okay, I think I don't even know who you're talking about, to be completely honest.

[46:30] **Flat Earther:** You don't know who PewDiePie is? Okay, right. Who is he?

[46:35] **Teen Host:** Who is the one you're talking about? The one I'm talking about, he's a YouTuber. He's like the biggest YouTuber, at least like he was the biggest YouTuber. But Felix Kjellberg, yeah, that's the...

[46:45] **Flat Earther:** What does he do?

[46:47] **Teen Host:** He does like, he does games. He's a gamer guy. He's a gamer. Yeah, he's a gamer guy. He's been there forever, you know.

[46:55] **Flat Earther:** All right, so what's the story? I guess we're talking about different people.

[47:00] **Teen Host:** Sure, maybe I don't... It is a different person. Just for what I'm... Yeah, go ahead. Top Flat Earther, Felix Shelbrook, he actually was the number one Flat Earther in 2008. And essentially what ended up happening is he raised enough money to actually buy sort of like a, not like the, the best one, but something that could just get him into space. Like, you know, like a hot air balloon that can get you really high up. Yeah, you went into like the stratosphere or something like that. Um, 100,000, I forget which one specifically, but he went up very, very high.

[47:50] **Flat Earther:** How many feet?

[47:52] **Teen Host:** Um, I don't know the number to be completely honest. I don't want to like try to guess and then be wrong. But sure, he went up to the point where he could see that it wasn't like a, like, uh, like a flatness. It wasn't a circular. It was like...

[48:10] **Flat Earther:** Did he take pictures that wasn't on a fisheye lens that distort the curvature?

[48:15] **Teen Host:** That's exactly what happened. And then there's a conspiracy I'll go over after with him. He went up there. He realized that he was wrong. And at this point, he was live streaming. Well, actually, no, I don't think it was live streaming. It was live streaming to his home, which was, I believe, automatically posted. I don't, I don't remember.

[48:45] **Flat Earther:** I find it hard to believe you don't know who PewDiePie is. The fact that you're saying that, I just think you're full of crap at this point.

[48:50] **Teen Host:** Well, actually, you said, "Don't know who PewDiePie." I actually have a good one to prove whoever this guy, I don't know who he is. We were off the podcast. You asked me if I knew Sneako. I said, "I know Sneako," because I know. But I said, "I don't really watch any like social media." I mean, if you're on YouTube and you have 650,000 subscribers, like you say you do, it's not like I'm posting the videos. But you everybody, every YouTuber knows who PewDiePie is. You know who PewDiePie is?

[49:30] **Teen's Ally:** Crazy guy.

[49:32] **Teen Host:** Yeah, he knows. I bet VNA even knows who PewDiePie is. Do you know who PewDiePie is, producer? Oh, yeah. Okay, so now we're full of crap. Now we're all full of crap. Hey, Rabbi Monk, do you know PewDiePie? Do you know PewDiePie, man? Did I just step into an alternate universe? I think I did. Or it's all, it's all part of the Flat Earth conspiracy. Anyways, what you're saying, continue.

[50:10] **Teen Host:** Okay, I don't want to... There's no way I could prove to you I'm not lying. You know what I mean? But let's just go off it. He got, he, he went up very high. I don't know the exact mileage. He realized he was wrong. The footage was posted. He became like the biggest clown of the week and he ended up committing suicide.

[50:40] **Flat Earther:** There are, there are weather balloons that go up. He didn't use a weather balloon. Well, there are weather balloons that have gone up 100,000 feet, well above the stratosphere. Didn't see the curve. The Red Bull guy jumped from hundreds of thousands of miles in the air. Oh, the guy did. Yeah, yeah, that was proven to be fisheye lens. So that was flat.

[51:10] **Teen Host:** Okay, this is a good one. This is more just like almost like a rhetorical one. So I apologize. You know how can the Earth be flat if the scientists say if it was, we'd be flat as a pancake, according to George Armstrong, brother of Armstrong?

[51:30] **Flat Earther:** Well, I mean, uh, I don't believe in gravity, so that's why I think that's full, that's bull crap. So, and you just think he was making it up? Yeah, maybe. But I mean, relative density, like I said, what, what do you believe is a relative density? Like I told you, certain things have a density that causes them to either go to the ground or rise into the air. That's why balloons can go into the air. That's why I explained, you know, the sun, you know, pulls it up and then when there's no sun, it goes back down.

[52:05] **Teen Host:** I don't think that's how it works. If we're talking about liar, lying, this is if we're talking...

[52:10] **Flat Earther:** It is a lie, my man. Put it there, brother. My man, he's telling it like it is. What do you think, VNA? But he's the moderator, so I don't think he wants to comment. Yeah, does he have psychic powers? Is he like, is he brainwashing me right now? Is he turning me into a round Earther? What is you? Is he said his name was VNA. You seen Stranger Things? What's that? He's the main villain. He looks like VNA. Like the TV show, yeah, on the, on Netflix. He looks like VNA. Look at him. Look at him. He's doing, look at him. He's, he's dreamwalking right now. Dreamwalking right now. Look at this guy. He's dreamwalking. Look at his eyes. He's, you can't even see his pupils. Yeah, he's opening his eyes. You can't see his pupils. He's possessed by round, but yeah, the round Earth demons, right? Crazy people. Yeah, Vecna. He's got the psionic powers, dude. Don't mess with this guy. He's strong. No, don't do that. Oh, you done pissed him off. He's going to kill us all now. We're dead. Going to die now. It's over.

[53:30] **Teen Host:** Can you show me a picture of this guy you're talking about?

[53:32] **Flat Earther:** Well, I can't Google. Where, why you, why you Google? You Google, do it. Okay, because you Googled, now I get to get one Google. Thanks. That's the agreement. That's the agreement. There is no moon. Oh, the moon is fake. Rabbi, moon's fake. It's just, um, not what they say it is.

[53:55] **Teen Host:** Yes, exactly. It's projection. You believe that too? I think, I think that's probably more, uh, likely than what they say. So how are they like The Truman Show projection?

[54:05] **Flat Earther:** Yeah, something like that, possibly. Or The Truman Show is the real life. That's right. It's a clue into the realness.

[54:10] **Teen Host:** You actually, you believe that the one you mentioned earlier that it is a projection? I'm saying you believe it's a clue? The Truman Show is like a clue?

[54:20] **Flat Earther:** I mean, that's what some people that are more unhinged than me say that. More that are more...

[54:25] **Teen Host:** You're admitting you guys are a little bit crazy?

[54:27] **Flat Earther:** I mean, I'm, yeah, I'm a little crazy, but everybody's a little crazy. Look at this guy. He's crazy, right? This guy's a little crazy. Crazy, crazy. If you're, if you're round Earth, you're even crazier. VNA is just, he's got a great jawline, though. Look at that. Good angle on it. Good angle on that jawline. Nice chin. The double chin. Very nice. Good aesthetics there. This guy, very good aesthetics.

[55:05] **Flat Earther:** So projection, projection could be, could be like a Godlike projection. Who knows?

[55:10] **Teen Host:** This room show, what was, because I actually did watch projection. Yeah, go watch. It's a pretty good movie. I mean, like, I watched it, but a long time ago. What did they do? They put like a fake moon or just like actually just like...

[55:20] **Flat Earther:** I think it was a projection that, that illuminated fake sky. Yeah, it's a fake sky, whatever. So the sky was not really... Some Flat Earthers think that there are clues out there that...

[55:30] **Teen Host:** Why would they do that? Why would they do that?

[55:32] **Flat Earther:** Because like their idea of a joke, like telling us the truth in plain sight. It's kind of like a fun little thing. It's more fun than anything. I don't believe it, but it's, it's a fun little...

[55:45] **Teen Host:** I probably should add this earlier. It's probably one of the first ones I should have. But you think that everybody is lying? The UK, Mongolians, Americans?

[55:55] **Flat Earther:** Oh, here's, let me give you an interesting fact. Okay, in Flat Earth, in the Flat Earth theory, there's the ice wall. You've heard of this. You've looked up on it. Now, just, just hang on. There's the ice wall. We can't pass the ice wall. Now, here's an interesting fact. You believe it? There's an, this is a circumstantial thing. Nobody owns Antarctica. Antarctica. No one owns it. Not even the United States. Behind...

[56:30] **Teen Host:** I would love to tell the story. Let me tell the story. Admiral Byrd. Yes. Do you know Admiral Byrd? Did you hear about...?

[56:35] **Flat Earther:** Yes. Crazy. He went to the South Pole. He went to the, he went to the South Pole. Guy really crazy. Let's tell the story. Admirable, Admiral Byrd in the 1940s went to, he went to the South Pole. Okay, he went past the ice wall or whatever it is they say. And he said, just said, hang on, let me finish my thought because I don't want to get distracted. This is an important thought. Why you doing that? So the point is this, he said that there are fertile lands beyond the South Pole and that he predicts that in the future there would be global conflict to acquire these resources, oil, you name it, whatever it is. So he said this and have we gone to the South Pole and fought for the resources? We have not. And now I'm not done. We haven't gone to the South Pole and there's a treaty that says no one can own the South Pole. Why is there a treaty that says no one can own...? No, okay, I'm not done. America, you know the joke about America, if there's oil, America will be there, right? If there's oil, America will find you and they'll kill you and take your oil. Now, I'm surprised America after World War II was the most powerful country on the planet. If they wanted that oil, they could have gotten it. Now, why didn't they get the oil?

[58:10] **Teen Host:** Let me respond. So essentially, my respond... I do know about Admiral Byrd. When I was doing research, to be clear, I know you're going to say this is a... He never mentioned the ice wall. The word ice. No, he didn't. No, no, but he went beyond the South. He went, he never mentioned going beyond an ice wall that he went that was...

[58:30] **Flat Earther:** But he went to the South Pole and he found fertile lands. Stop, stop with that. He's on X, not Twitter. Get it right away. Seriously.

[58:40] **Teen Host:** But he did go to the South Pole and find fertile lands with every resource. Management, to respond to that, I got... Go ahead, go ahead. This guy, just to press my opinion, really crazy guy. Okay, um, it was claimed what he claimed essentially is that he would over, I think, to the South Pole. And I'm going to tell you how he did it, not the interpretation. Okay, he believed that the ground opened up underneath him.

[59:15] **Flat Earther:** I'm just letting you know, I've never heard of that. I've never heard of that, brother. I don't know how you haven't heard of this. Google that and show me right now.

[59:20] **Teen Host:** I, I'll Google it once I finish. You can, you sure show you can Google it. I want to see that. I would actually, if you want the people want to see it too. If you want, I will Google this. He believed, this is what he said, word for word, not word for word, paraphrasing. You believe the ground opened up into a huge glimmering city.

[59:45] **Flat Earther:** You don't, I don't know. I never heard of that.

[59:47] **Teen Host:** This is from his notebook. You know who found his notebook? Who? His son.

[59:55] **Flat Earther:** Okay. You know when he found his notebook? Where? After he died. Was just in his possessions.

[1:00:00] **Teen Host:** Okay. Okay. I'm saying so this is never, he's never talked about it. There's no videos of Admiral Byrd. It was just a notebook of an old guy who died. Okay, so found by his son and he claimed the ground opened up from underneath him. There was a huge glimmering city. He was, and then they took him, I don't know if he said what type of transportation he, they took him to the guy named The Master. You heard about that one? The Master.

[1:00:35] **Flat Earther:** The Master.

[1:00:37] **Teen Host:** Word for word, this is what he said. He, The Master. Keep going. Keep going. Yeah, yeah, yeah. He said they took him to The Master. Okay. And The Master said he was disappointed in the humans because of the world wars. He said, "I'm disappointed in the humans." And he sent him back. He never mentioned an ice wall. And then the guy died. And then that was it. So we can believe this really crazy guy.

[1:01:20] **Flat Earther:** That's not fair. That's not fair. Crazy. That's a fallacious argument, Maton. Maton, no, that's a, that's a fallacy.

[1:01:35] **Teen Host:** Okay, so, so you're saying that he's crazy? I'll Google. You will Google it and it's yeah, B, I believe it's B I R D, B Y R D, whatever. You can, the ground opened up. That's, that's the first one.

[1:01:50] **Flat Earther:** Never heard of that one. What's happening with your thing? It's not a bomb, is it?

[1:01:55] **Teen Host:** Okay, all right, all right, here we go. I don't, we could probably just cut this out if you want, but this is, this is from the History Channel, 12.6 million on the YouTube. Let me see this. What's the title? Let me see the title. [visual: Teen Host Googles and shows screen]

[1:02:10] **Teen Host:** "Ancient Aliens Crystal City discovered under Antarctica." Okay, we can't watch the whole thing. Just turn it off. But, you know, I didn't make it up. Now, to be clear, I didn't watch it and I don't feel like watching it. I, I will watch it on my own time.

[1:02:25] **Flat Earther:** I'll watch my own time. I'm saying, you know, I didn't make it up on the top of my head. The glimmering Crystal City.

[1:02:30] **Teen Host:** Yeah, but I've never heard it attributed, I've never heard it attributed to Joseph Byrd. I've never, I don't know what research you're doing. I'm telling you from my completely unbiased, I watch The Fly Dave, I watched The History Channel. I read the Admiral Byrd.

[1:02:45] **Flat Earther:** I, well, History Channel's full of crap.

[1:02:47] **Teen Host:** Yeah, okay, but that besides the point. I'm just saying, I took every perspective in this. This is like, this is an, he did go to the glimmering city and meet with The Master. Was like an alien guy disappointed with the humans. So there were, I, there were, I never even read that somebody thought it was owned by the R. I think that's more of, that's a theory, like a small segment. Most people believe it was like aliens. That's why it was in the title.

[1:03:20] **Flat Earther:** I've never heard of that theory. Not, not a lot of Flat Earthers believe that it's aliens. That's, that's a bit of a straw man, to be honest. You don't believe in aliens?

[1:03:30] **Teen Host:** I don't believe in aliens either. Fake liar. Fake liars. Globe head demons, right? Hey, so that doesn't really, that's not really an arguing argument. You're just saying that he's crazy. You're making up a story and you're saying he's crazy. But this from his words that I read, he said that...

[1:03:55] **Flat Earther:** Where did you read this?

[1:03:57] **Teen Host:** Well, actually, it was a video. I listened to it. And who made the video? No, made, nobody made the video. It was black and white footage directly from him. But, oh, it was him talking. I believe it was him talking. It's either him talking or okay, I, I haven't seen it in so long. I'm just going to give you a... But the point is, it's an, it's an interesting, it's just interesting.

[1:04:25] **Flat Earther:** Why exactly would you trust the Admiral Byrd over every single person in the world with an IQ over five?

[1:04:35] **Teen Host:** IQ over five. Okay, so I'm not saying that they, they could be telling the truth and but they don't know. They, they're telling someone else's lies possibly. But I mean, he has, he really has no reason to lie. No one ever talks about it, but he has no reason to lie.

[1:04:55] **Flat Earther:** A schizophrenic has no reason to lie, but they still going to, they're not lying. They're just really crazy.

[1:05:00] **Teen Host:** Well, I mean, just calling people crazy, that's, that's, uh, gaslighting. It's not really, uh, it's not really an argument.

[1:05:10] **Flat Earther:** Crazy is like a real term to associate to people.

[1:05:12] **Teen Host:** Yeah, I suppose so. But it's not, it's not, it's not a sufficient argument to say he, Byrd is not crazy. A totally normal guy. He's a crazy medic monster. Okay, all right. He is not.

[1:05:35] **Flat Earther:** Well, so far you lied about the, the sun. You couldn't reproduce that story. The Indians having a colony on, on the moon. That's a lie. You don't know Felix Kjellberg is, even though if you're a YouTuber, I think you're just full of crap, brother. I think you're just full of crap. You know, you just, you know him. Who's this? He said it's a YouTuber.

[1:06:00] **Teen Host:** I'm talking about the, the point is, the point is, I don't, I don't know. I don't really believe a lot of what you're saying.

[1:06:05] **Flat Earther:** Saying, okay, so what do you believe? You think that I'm wrong or you think I'm making it up?

[1:06:10] **Teen Host:** I mean, you're making it up. Obviously, it's a show. This is all a show and we're where we got, uh, my so-called partner over here wasting everybody.

[1:06:20] **Flat Earther:** No, we're having a good time, Monk. We're having a...

[1:06:22] **Teen Host:** Yeah, either way, um, no, just be honest then. Earth sucks right now. Are America sucks. Everything is going to crap. Liberal.

[1:06:35] **Flat Earther:** Well, possibly, yes. Whatever. It sucks. And if there was another place we could go to get away from here, I think that a lot of us would want to go there. The ice wall. Yeah, beyond the ice wall. Let's just assume Admiral Byrd was telling the truth that there are...

[1:06:50] **Teen Host:** He never mentioned ice wall.

[1:06:52] **Flat Earther:** But that, but he mentioned that there were fertile lands beyond, beyond the South.

[1:06:55] **Teen Host:** He also mentioned, he also mentioned that he met an alien in the...

[1:07:00] **Flat Earther:** I don't care about that. That's full, that's crap. So me, what he did, you did not show me anything. Let's be honest. You, so now you want, you want to use YouTube when it's up to your benefit. You're being a hypocrite. You're being a hypocrite.

[1:07:15] **Teen Host:** I'm not doing it. I'm asking if you want to watch it. I'll watch it later. Uh, I think you put up some stupid controlled opposition crap. I don't know. It doesn't, I make up about... I think you're making stuff up. But the point is, Robert Byrd did say, this is on record saying it. It's historically true that there, there are lands beyond the South Pole. Now, I'm not going to say ice wall because that's a technicality and no one cares.

[1:07:50] **Teen Host:** What do you believe is beyond the...? He, I'm going by what he said, his own personal accounts with his, it was an expedition. It was a scientific expedition and he, and he showed fertile lands with every resource.

[1:08:10] **Flat Earther:** Why you trust this guy so much to not just be a schizophrenic crazy maniac?

[1:08:15] **Teen Host:** Well, I mean, you could say that about anybody. Obviously, you could say everybody in NASA is crazy. No, you wouldn't. You could, they're all crazy. You're crazy. Look at your hair. Your hair is crazy.

[1:08:30] **Flat Earther:** No, no, fair. I don't believe any of you say your hair is crazy. No, no, but that's fair. Okay, yeah, but let me respond to that.

[1:08:40] **Teen Host:** Sure. Every, well, actually, you've been saying everything I said isn't truth to no, not everything. I think that there's some truth to it. But yeah, all right, well, anyways, why exactly, you know, if I could probably go right now to the mental hospital, probably a block away. I think there's a hospital for like Down syndrome people. You could probably find one of those guys had a hard life, turn him schizophrenic. You're going to go to, go talk to that guy like, "Oh, the aliens are real. I went to Mars." You know, when you talk to like a little kid, I was talking to a little kid the other day. I was just at a preschool teaching and he actually mentioned to me he had been himself out of this galaxy. He went to a different galaxy and met, uh, Thor. You know Thor? Yeah. Is that something I should take seriously? What do, what, what he says? Should I believe that?

[1:09:40] **Flat Earther:** Well, have you proven that Admiral Byrd is crazy? Should I, is the, can you prove...? I see what you're doing, but you haven't proved that Admiral Byrd is crazy. You said you told me a story that you haven't backed up with any actual...

[1:09:55] **Teen Host:** Is the little, is the little kid crazy? I don't know. I don't know the kid. He might be crazy. I don't know. Okay, so maybe he's telling the truth. I don't know. Maybe he is telling the truth in his own mind. Maybe NASA, the people working for NASA think they're doing the truth, but maybe they're doing someone else's lies. Who knows? Anyways, the final question I want to ask you is, I'm sure you'd agree that, you know, like an animal, like a dog, like a cat, like a bird, have a different brain chemistry than human, right?

[11:00:30] **Flat Earther:** Sure. Can survive different things. A fish can survive in the water, doesn't need air. Correct?

[11:00:35] **Teen Host:** We're going into evolution now. No, no, no, no, evolution. But you agree like a fish can doesn't like needs the water, but not the air. Human needs the air, but not the water.

[11:00:45] **Flat Earther:** Yeah, sure. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Okay.

[11:00:47] **Teen Host:** So explain to me how you believe the air and all the gravity is fake when currently on Mars there is no human to step foot because of their air problem. They haven't figured it out yet. But there are multiple shepherds who are there right now with the colony set up by the, uh, drops from the spaceships. They're living there right now. There's people and now there's Indians on Mars.

[11:01:30] **Flat Earther:** No, no, no, not Indian. Shepherds. Shepherds like a dog. They are right now. German Shepherds.

[11:01:35] **Teen Host:** No, not German Shepherd. Just like a dog. They are dogs on Mars. They don't need... So they're able to survive over there. Dogs don't need air. No. So if you go and choke a dog, it'll, it won't die. You're restraining his, uh, his neck. But if he doesn't need air, you could choke a dog and he wouldn't die.

[11:02:05] **Flat Earther:** Well, that's definitely not how air works. Does how work? If he doesn't need air, then he wouldn't need...

[11:02:10] **Teen Host:** Well, because of the lungs, you know, dog has four lungs. Humans have two. Dogs have four lungs and humans have two. Do you have pictures of the, uh, the, the shepherds on Mars?

[11:02:30] **Flat Earther:** Why would I have pictures of that? Well, you're making a claim. I need evidence.

[11:02:35] **Teen Host:** Well, as I, what do you want me? Okay, evidence of dogs on Mars. Ask me to look it up. I'll look it up. Go ahead, look it up. I got, I don't care. It's your show. You can do whatever you want. That's funny. You believe that they're, Mike, you think they're dogs living on Mars?

[11:03:00] **Teen's Ally:** I don't know. We're going to find out, aren't we?

[11:03:05] **Teen Host:** Give me a second. I'm just searching for it. Okay, I'm going to get it. It's in my camera roll. Okay, so your camera roll. Oh, you must have screenshotted. Okay. Okay. Okay, let me see that. Let me see on that. Oh my. Well, I mean, it looks like I have been... That's it. That's the debate. You win. I guess that's it. I'm the champion. You're the champion. All right, that's probably it, huh? We should head out. Show the camera that dog. Show the camera the dog. [visual: Teen Host shows a picture of a dog on Mars]

[11:04:00] **Teen Host:** Yeah, the people have to see this groundbreaking discovery. Which camera is it? This one. Let me bring this up. I just, no, no, it's fine. Or is editing an after...? Yeah, show the people that that husky. It's not, not even a shepherd. It's a husky. Okay, we're not even getting the dog breeds right. Beautiful. I guess. Yeah, dog on Mars. Dog on, dog on Mars. Okay, is that pretty much it?

[11:04:50] **Flat Earther:** Yeah. All right, well, listen, I think it was good talking to you.

[11:04:55] **Teen Host:** Yeah, it was fun. I think just fact check a lot of the stuff I said. You're going to see...

[11:05:00] **Flat Earther:** I'll fact check. I mean, I fact checked a lot of the claims and they, I didn't find anything.

[11:05:05] **Teen Host:** You got, you got to look deeper. I didn't find the dogs either. You know, the moderator didn't do a very good job today. The Rabbi, not going to be inviting him back. He's busy being the main villain in the fictional TV show.